PVP: House Calenture, A Violation of Code Eight: Refusal to Release Fangx into City Guard Custody

[Juliet]

https://www.youtube.com/embed/kfFhQnhqZyI

Enjoy.

[Black Cloud]

By the way you also collapsed Neil with a nicely placed shot from the steps looking down. Just came here to say that was a GOOD SHOT!! @10:43

[Neil]

It was a party member that got me per the text box, but it was a good shot.

[Lu Chaos]

Just so you know Lu hated fighting Neil. Lol

[Juliet]

All in good fun, friends.

[Bort]

Many were so embarassed by this night that they havent shown their face in the city since.

[Dakkoth]

Many were so embarassed by this night that they havent shown their face in the city since.

My suggestion to that and to all players...don't let that stuff bother YOU. Roleplay with it. Easier said than done, I know. But it was a legitimate RP. Clearly they didn't storm in chakfiring without reason/purpose.

[Uthanatos]

You realize that the reasoning was because someone was in the sanctuary, so even if they had wanted to, there's no way they could have forced him to leave?

[Dina]

You would think they would realize this, but they don't and still think it was a legitimate RP lol.

[Lu Chaos]

You guys still think Lu Chaos threw a chakras because someone didn't come out of sanctuary? Off Kilter antagonized Lu Chaos the entire conversation. Jevik was owed a collapse. Sorry but this was super legit. If you don't want to fight Lu.. Be respectful?

[Uthanatos]

So you are saying Lu didn't start a countdown until they had to produce Fang? Because the video shows otherwise

[Bort]

Imo...

The bigger issue here was one group allowing something like this to happen at their location. Id think the character Lu Chaos would probably get more warrior spirit if he had fought AoE

That was kind of my issue with the whole thing. I think the game is really in need of a massive overhaul on the nightmare xp tree.. with everyone being that high... they dont want to interact on that level because they dont want to spend 4 months collapsing nightmares for 1 fight.

[Uthanatos]

Meh, recovering XP isn't that hard actually, most of us can solo or at least duo shammies. The bigger thing is, we just don't want to deal with the half assed veneer of RP intended to instigate a fight over....nothing. The crew went up there looking to start a fight, and Fang obviously wasn't their true target, because, well he has blend, so those wards downplane were intended for others. So...really it's just...meh

[Dina]

Imo...

The bigger issue here was one group allowing something like this to happen at their location. Id think the character Lu Chaos would probably get more warrior spirit if he had fought AoE

That was kind of my issue with the whole thing. I think the game is really in need of a massive overhaul on the nightmare xp tree.. with everyone being that high... they dont want to interact on that level because they dont want to spend 4 months collapsing nightmares for 1 fight.

I agree about HC Borti, but HC doesn't have the force like it once did in the old UL. Kailee hates how it went down, but knows there isn't much choice at this time. Most don't like floating due the fact of giving xp over to their enemy. It has nothing to do with having to hunt it back. I wish some of the old HC would come back, but us older people don't have the patience we once had. Making the game not worth it to some. You have these people that love to PK and makes it harder for people to stick around. If the good fighters would actually not "stick to one group" and perhaps join some of the houses that could use the fire power, it would be different and more balancing where wars would be fun. BUT you can't make someone do this, this is their game too.

I will be honest, HC went from being a huge force to...just another house open. The Rulers really don't have a choice in this. Kailee sticks with HC because that is where she belongs and she does like the leadership, even though she disagrees most of the time lol.

If it was up to Kailee, HC would be the house where people didn't want to fk with, but how do you do that in the current state of the game? You have the best fighters all in one house instead of spread out. I think the Bastion being open is a problem. Make them spread out to some of the other houses. Nothing will change unless some people can give a little to the game when it comes down to this.

[Black Cloud]

Fellow dreamers,

all I know is that UL needs a wide variety of personalities to remain interesting. The same way that some are offended by PKers, PKers are bored because nobody is entertaining them. Agoknights and the greater mares are brain-dead. They only offer energy, while dreamers offer everything else we play for. I mean, that's what UL is all about right? We have to remain flexible. If a dreamer is attacking you against your will, you have to understand it as a player looking for someone to play with. Entertain them if you can, otherwise they will entertain themselves. I know this might be childish, but we are all adults playing a video game.

For the players who's role it is to refrain from violence, that is an IC path you chose for your character, and that does not protect you from violence from others. Just like real life, we can only control ourselves. And as understandable as these outcries for intervention are, they ultimately hurt the community. We have to be able to endure each others characters and figure out a way to resolve or escalate them within ourselves.

Lastly, to the powerful players who don't wish to be collapsed due to the losses, you have to understand that THIS is the burden of your power. You cannot hide from it, and if you do, do so in-character. Don't cry out when you have to regain what others take rightfully. If you want to get in to in-character ideology, one can come up with countless way for why your energy actually belongs to them. I know because I've done it, and I can do it again in a better way if I wish. Crying out will only call the wolves.

[Lu Chaos]

I'll be the first to admit that I created Lu Chaos specifically for PVP purposes. The thing about Lu is that you literally can avoid fights with him by having a civilized conversation. He doesn't deal with being down talked well and he has an aggressive nature. Again OfF Kilter was the reason this attack happened at HC. Fangs might be the reason Lu came up but Off provided the roleplay needed to send my PVP character into battle mode. As far as fighters go. It is all a choice. You cannot expect a group of players like the Bastion to just stop playing with each other when we've been rping as a family for like 3+ years. It isn't our fault we take the time out to practice combat. I encourage every player to learn every aspect of UL. In order to maximize fun for you and your friends that you play with. Constantly saying my character PKs is false. A PK would be if I ran up on you and shot without warning or cause. That is never the case because how I roleplay my character I tell you exactly what's about to happen and why. I don't want players to quit the game but I'm not going to stop my roleplay and fun because players don't want to learn to change the way the interact with my character or learn how to find a solution to their non combat problems. Sorry but not sorry, I play this game to have fun. Me having fun will always Trump your fun. It's just the way life is. Once again. Watch the video Kilter made this battle happen. After many warnings he kept antagonizing a warrior character. It's kind of a stupid thing to do and then call foul when you are destroyed. Just something to think about.

[Bort]

I think that the issue is that lu chaos attacked due to just regular banter and it wasnt unique enough to give reason.
In game you will have issues like that when you have houses so topsy turvy with their belief system..
HC believes this and that but its also ok to be cool about this and that.
So there isnt any other option within the game to create tension between houses aside from what LU chaos did with his city guard approach.
Ooc i commend him for being stellar.
Houses get stale when its just about getting along with everyone.. just the same with nonstop all out war.. there has to be a balance in the game and there has to be a reason for houses to truly not like each other's beliefs.

[Uthanatos]

You are stuck in the old days Bort and it's something a lot of returning players struggle with. They are so used to the constant conflict between the houses in previous versions of the game that they can't wrap their heads around how this version developed. There are always going to be disagreements, groups that have goals set in opposition, but the idea that you need to have some core belief that sets you in opposition to others is silly. Some of the biggest conflict points have come from AoE, being of too gentle a mindset to agree to measures the rest of the city feels justified. No abstract belief hatred necessary.

[Butterfly]

The definition of insanity is: repeating the same behaviour and expecting a different result. This is the crux of the issue.

[HarleyofCienn]

Ya know, I'm deleting my post because it's like... Same stuff, different day. I could point out ten threads just like this one.



It's rediculous all around.
Both sides have the same attitude, just at different ends of the spectrum. Y'all keep doing ur thing tho, it's not getting old or anything.

[Lu Chaos]

We are roleplaying a magical world where different shards have come together to experience a dream city. Just so happens an aggressive dreamer named Lu Chaos entered it. I'm sorry but changing Lu Chaos would be OOC. I made him specifically to be a warrior PVP character. I stay in the rules. I've told you guys to roleplay it so many times. Lu Chaos does not bully. Lu Chaos offers multiple ways out before fighting him or him hunting your characters. if you choose to continue to antagonize then you have now chosen to be hunted. That's not me choosing for you. That's you choosing. Seek my character for a peaceful resolution or don't but it's all roleplay. We are RPing real characters. Just like in the real world you can't just demand someone stop doing anything. Everything has consequences even the things my character does, or benefits. I do not PK. I roleplay based off of what YOU as a player has chosen to do. Please as a community we must understand that this is a game that should have remained like the real world and kept DreamStrike around because then maybe everyone would maybe roleplay actually doing something about someone they hate so much. It's all for the fun of the game. These falsified Interpretations have to stop.

[-Lacie-]

Well said, Lu.

~L~

[Techgeist]

"It's your fault I hit you. If you just didn't make me mad, it wouldn't happen." - Every abuser ever.

One player should not be able to hold the game hostage. "Play the way I want, or I'm going to attack you" is not "a code to avoid attacks", it's extortion. Not that said code actually exists, I've seen Lu collapse people just for being in a room with people he didn't like. I saw him collapse a female dreamer for saying she'd never kiss him. Lu, the character, is a thinly veiled excuse for Lu the player to openly PK and grief the rest of the game. Lu, the player, thinks that he is the 'ultimate big bad' of the game and that he actually adds something to the experience by being the way he is. What's even sadder is that the group of barnacles hanging off Lu's bottom generally tend to be made up of good to decent role-players with delusions of "winning" UL (certain ones who've wanted every UL player to play the game their 'proper way' for the last 20 years), UL is a collaborative story, and the story winds and evolves with the players. Players like Lu stifle that story, because they refuse to do anything that doesn't further toward the "I am the great God of Underlight and everyone worships me and does what I say" ending. Choosing to play a villain requires the ability and emotional capacity to deal with losing, which a certain bigoted, homophobic tantrum proved is lacking.

Ultimately, though, all of this is fine, he wants to be a PK troll, then that's his right. He's not hacking the game, he's not exploiting anything that we know of, but the player base needs to stop legitimizing his barely there RP excuses. They won't, of course, because a whole lot of people enjoy talking smack while standing behind him and they don't get to strut around like the 'most awesome people ever' when he's gone.

[Juliet]

Since this is my post I'm going to validate both sides..

jk.

I erased by 5 paragraphs to say that if you don't like the type of way somebody plays underlight then stfu because your opinion doesn't matter.
Play how you want, and let people play how they want.

Too many people sit OOC and complain or IC and complain and that's pretty much what UL is at this point. Underlight=ComplainHeavy

For instance, Liolira and I have argued in-game a 100 times but then when she arranges a GM sit for us 3 to figure things out OOC (which btw has nothing to do with Juliet recognizing her as a rival in RP, I have nothing against her irl obviously) she doesn't even show up to her own GM intervention.

All you guys do is complain about things and beg for them to be changed. Also if you dissolved Bastion we would just have no house and no storage and you would still have the same problem you have now. Or we'd all just join the same house and you'd still have the same problem.

Not all, but most UL players just cry and cry and cry and it's really annoying and honestly the main reason I haven't logged in in 3 days.

[Neil]

I feel Neil is pretty accepting of most of his own interactions. Although, I will admit, some of them have personally affected me with rage and anger, but I guess that's what good role playing does to you (and I'm not referencing this particular event). For the most part, a lack of dreaming and returning normally calms Neil down. Neil does hold grudges secretly, but just tries to enjoy the dream when he is able to reach the city. Most of the time, he's just looking to advance himself. He actually enjoys fighting, but never feels good enough to stand on the front lines like he used to; hence his constant desire to advance and someday return.

As for Lu, Neil was actually sad to see him go initially. Personally, his antics draw various emotions from not only me, but many others as the above conversation shows. This is why I think Lu's character is needed in the game and Neil was glad to see him return; although would not openly admit that to his fellow house members. Whether you like Lu or not, he is a conversation starter. Sometimes good, sometimes bad, sometimes just annoying. Neil isn't on bad terms with Lu. He's shown him respect, and in turn, Lu has given him respect, so I think... It's part of the reason Neil helped Lu open up the Bastion in the first place and wore two crests. It doesn't mean Lu won't attack Neil, but I feel Lu thinks twice about it or at least shows some type of hesitation.

In reference to the HC comments, I would love to see HC be of a house of old, it's just not necessarily the style today, and I can respect that too. As for Neil, he is loyal. He enjoys the leadership and fellow dreamers in the house. He is also drawn to a particular halo that was missed for so many years. And although there are many other outlets for getting trained in arts now, it's like a 'shiny thing' that Neil cannot get over.

Now, I'm only going to reference this case, but since we started the role-play conversation based on the video, what many of you may have missed in the video is ALL of the conversation that was said by all parties. This was simply due to Juliet's distance from other players. I'm not saying what Lu did was right, but what I'm saying is, "Lu is being Lu" like boys will be boys. Whether anyone tries to 'fix' him that's up to their character, but it always keeps people talking, and I enjoy the occasional fight. I just wish I had a better preparation and arts for it. Neil was not ready for a battle and he should have been knowing the expectation of the characters.

Everyone is needed to make things move forward. A dream without conflict is just a dream, but a dream with conflict is an event!