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Thank you Jio for your input. I was not present for the majority of this conflict, but I can say for what I did see there were GM present trying to "even the battlefield". That said, I can't tell you how many times I've seen people collapsing or trying to collapse Purple Lace. Fair play requires parlay. If people ignore any opportunity to make peace, they can expect nothing but war. It's not enough to be able to beat people into submission. People need to be free to agree to disagree. This is something sorely lacking in the PVP of Underlight.

CoS lists and SaC lists are justification for any number of cruel returns ICly. Instead, these lists that serve only to bully people should become a last resort (especially with so few players to justify them). It's unfortunate, but it happens. The solution to this conflict isn't a fight to submission. It's a battle for concessions.

Right now there is an opportunity to open doors and establish more rewarding rules of engagement. Where people see a reason to quit, I see a reason to hug. You all have something to add to this conflict if you're willing to take it beyond throwing punches. For anyone saying they tried, it takes twice as much energy to withdraw a punch than it does to throw one.

On a side note: It would be neat if houses had a character GM controlled that was basically a means for people to retaliate against the house. A character that represented the state of the house and acted freely on its own, often times just attacking enemies and creating conflict or being attacked and creating opportunities to resolve conflicts by becoming the target of aggression. Players enjoy skirmishes more than they enjoy war. Nobody has the time or resources to hunt for talismans to support a long ongoing battle that defines their entire existence in game. If people are unwilling to concede any level of defeat, it may serve as a means to encourage them to find concessions or risk being guilty of treason by hurting this Idol character.
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Jio thank you for your thoughts but I didn't make up the dreamstrike issue I ask you read this post,


viewtopic.php?f=2&t=2367&p=9514&hilit=dreamstrike#p9514


I truly don't think I misunderstood. I decided as much as Silver has hated dreamstrike having in the past left Underlight because of it. I have stayed. I am not being unreasonable at this time I know I have been in the past. Sometimes because I just didn't understand. And as upset as I was in truth I want to understand why the game we love is being abused. I can see some things more clearly but still don't have a clue as to what the options are for Silver. Silver and I, as her controller, have much soul searching to do I guess, I do appreciate everyone's input and thank you.
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Malarky wrote:CoS lists and SaC lists are justification for any number of cruel returns ICly. Instead, these lists that serve only to bully people should become a last resort (especially with so few players to justify them). It's unfortunate, but it happens. The solution to this conflict isn't a fight to submission. It's a battle for concessions.
I remember while being part of the ruling body of the Union of the Covenant, we really did not utilize Search and Collapse or Collapse on Sight lists for the whole of the house. The Union was based on being a house of defense and seldom went on the offensive unless it was beyond a reasonable doubt, hint. One incident was when members of the Radiance raided some essence left overnight by the Union. When one of the other rulers went to clean up the storage areas, they encountered an inscribed codex by member of the Radiance. The essences had been transported over to the Radiance and into their prime. Darby, SK, and Jiovanni personally waited until the Radiance held their house meeting. While there were many members of the Union dreaming, they were ordered to remain at the Covenant while the leadership went on an "envoy" mission.

The Radiance had the majority of their leadership along with their guide. It was the perfect opportunity to bring resolution to the conflict. SK presented the Union's case in front of the Radiance. They opted to scoff and mock SK and the Union. To make a long story short, the Union leadership went on the offense and took out all of the Radiance. Shortly thereafter, resolution was found. There was no pointless CoS/SaC lists formed and the dream went on. The essence strength was returned to the Union. End of that issue. No one quit. No one called foul. We, as players, understood its just a game and everything was justified.

Our goal was never to have a long drawn out war. We, as players, know that extended conflicts tend to end up as a leading reason for players to leave the game up there along with lack of advancement or perceived bias. I agree, CoS/SaC lists are often employed when folks are looking for any reason to level up a recently gained sphere and/or often left unenforced until it becomes suddenly convenient.
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LadySilver wrote:Jio thank you for your thoughts but I didn't make up the dreamstrike issue I ask you read this post,


viewtopic.php?f=2&t=2367&p=9514&hilit=dreamstrike#p9514


I truly don't think I misunderstood. I decided as much as Silver has hated dreamstrike having in the past left Underlight because of it. I have stayed. I am not being unreasonable at this time I know I have been in the past. Sometimes because I just didn't understand. And as upset as I was in truth I want to understand why the game we love is being abused. I can see some things more clearly but still don't have a clue as to what the options are for Silver. Silver and I, as her controller, have much soul searching to do I guess, I do appreciate everyone's input and thank you.
Yes, the possibility for DreamStrike does currently exist within the game. As I said previously, unless you're intentionally trying to get yourself dreamstruck, you're simply not going to get struck. For the longest time, characters taunted and mocked antagonists whom had no means of actually carrying out threats or dispatching folks. That created a sort of crux where we had to ask ourselves... can this happen in real life?

The team is monitoring abuse/roleplaying reports in real time. They might not often get to the situation right away but its being read by someone and will be addressed within a reasonable time period.
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Not a clue what happened the other night, don't wanna know (Someone will probably fill Arnaya in, in game though). But honestly, I hate roleplaying with Lu Chaos. Arnaya interacts with him ONLY as absolutely necessary most of the time, or minimally in social group situations (I think the last time Arnaya bothered being in a room with a group and Lu Chaos came in, she said that she agreed with something he'd said... odd as that sounded). I keep the interactions as short as I reasonably can, just because the constant ranting and railing against the universe and everything in it and how he is the GOD of the multi-verse and everyone else is just too stupid to realize it and if your not with him your against him and he'll kill everyone that isn't strong like him and yada yada yada rinse, repeat ad infinitum, gets incredibly tedious.

If I think it will cut an interaction shorter than it would otherwise be, Arnaya will fight and float just so Lu Chaos will go away that much quicker. This is NOT a hate message to the controller, since I enjoy interacting with the other character of his that I know about and will sometimes go where I know he is to talk to him (Not often, but sometimes). It is specifically the CHARACTER Lu Chaos. Given the chance, Arnaya would dream strike him. Flat out, no questions (he's probably the only character around with the exception of Zaxun, that she would strike. She wouldn't brag about it, or be proud of it, she'd just do it. And her decision to even go there is based entirely off of his betrayal and willingness to sacrifice her, and demand her utter slavery to even consider not sacrificing her. On the player level, I just avoid dealing with him as much as possible)

The other side is that I can see how others DO enjoy Roleplaying with the Character of Lu Chaos. There's a reason I havn't done or said too much about how much I dislike the character, though Arnaya hasn't made it a secret that she pretty much hates him. (I have a background that makes interacting with Lu Chaos in rampage mode, bring back some.. unpleasant...memories) except one thread months ago about how different people enjoy different play styles (which I do appreciate the controller making an attempt to keep in mind when he has his character interacting with Arnaya. It has made tolerable enough that I won't simply log out, and so I can and will interact with him a little bit at least on Arnaya) and keep some semblance of Arnaya's character intact in regards to the character of Lu Chaos instead of having to break character to avoid reliving things I'd rather not relive.
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LadySilver wrote:Jio thank you for your thoughts but I didn't make up the dreamstrike issue I ask you read this post,


viewtopic.php?f=2&t=2367&p=9514&hilit=dreamstrike#p9514


I truly don't think I misunderstood. I decided as much as Silver has hated dreamstrike having in the past left Underlight because of it. I have stayed. I am not being unreasonable at this time I know I have been in the past. Sometimes because I just didn't understand. And as upset as I was in truth I want to understand why the game we love is being abused. I can see some things more clearly but still don't have a clue as to what the options are for Silver. Silver and I, as her controller, have much soul searching to do I guess, I do appreciate everyone's input and thank you.
I was worried about that myself and asked some questions, have a look at this thread:
Re: Questions about dreamstrike and role playing
It took some time to get the GMs to understand what I was asking, they seemed not to realise that anyone might have taken it to mean what you and I took it to mean! But it was definitely established at last that if there isn't OOC warning, there will always be IC warning, i.e. you will know that you are in the presence of a Striker (or at least, some other suspicious GM-looking character of unknown capabilities) and will have a chance to run for it.
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Okay so I am posting waaaay late on this, but I just now read all of it haha. I am Chad, player of Calabosh. I was actually with Lu's char most the the night he was being accused of pking. He was actually in character and everything the whole time, he never was pking everyone. Actually broke wards and let dreamers through them. He did collapse a close to newly dreamer, think the guy was like 1st or 2nd sphere, but offered to hunt for him to get back the strength he took. Cala was there just watching and listening most of the time around Lu that night. He did crack a lot of jokes to Lu just to try and ease up the tension a bit and maybe get him to stop his rein of Chaos. But the whole time I was around him he was in character whether you hate him or love him he does stick to his RPing. I know I hated him for a bit back in the SoT days as Calabosh. But hey, we all got different styles of rping. I know Calabosh is certainly different from most peoples styles of rping. People tend to usually hate or love my character too.

Just thought I would throw in my 2 cents,
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If Lu Chaos was pure PK-ing with no RP whats-so-ever he would have had a talking to in the Unknown.

He's not PK-ing.

If your concerned, keep him on your Locate list, stay in Sanctuaries. Roleplay hiring a bodyguard. Roleplay working out a surrender. Roleplay talking to DoL or HC on Lu's behalf due to the suffering of "innocents". Roleplay giving him what he wants. Roleplay supporting Zaxun to Strike him. Roleplay supporting Xun'rok in hopes that he will strike Zaxun and Lu. Roleplay hiring a personal trainer to teach you fight back better or defend yourselves. Roleplay begging for mercy from Lu vs. cursing at him IC and even OOC in hopes that would stop him. Roleplay joining Lu's mission.

Roleplay.

That being said: If Lu is hunting newlies, or grieving someone to the point they can not play that game - this is different. However, that doesn't automatically apply just because someone says so. Getting collapsed once or twice and still coming out of sanctuary to yell at Lu isn't the player being "grieved". Being jumped once or twice by a surprise attack by Lu is not being grieved. And all of these levels of attacks could be stopped if the players stopped to interact and Roleplay. Like Dina said, if a house places Lu on CoS and then their members are later beaten down by Lu - then the leadership put them in the situation and probably should have thought it out a bit more. The leaders may have been excellent fighters but that doesn't mean all your initiates are in a position to be CoS in reverse by Lu. I know if my characters were placed on CoS, I would return the favor by going after them where it hurts the most - their innocent initiates.
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Problem with the cos is, Lu was FINALLY placed there by some of the houses, as a result of all of the pking. Not the other way around. So that argument kind of holds no weight whatsoever.

But, It is not the responsibility of everyone in the game to "Roleplay" bending over and kissing Lu Chaos butt simply because we don't feel like being harassed or cussed out for absolutely nothing.
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Good post Blade. I won't argue back my points. But your final words are the ones that matter the most.

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The enabling by the GM team has made it quite apparent that the behavior itself is accepted. Lu Chaos went from having no supplies to having better supplies than Dreiko and Blade overnight. He magically started dropping forged 40s, which only one current PLAYER character can create. He got 5th Sphere for reasons. He got 6th Sphere for apparent reasons.

Dina has been kept from getting 7th Sphere due to a lack of effort but I can at least identify what she was doing. The only thing I have seen Lu Chaos do for his Spheres is attempt to PK. For instance, his original 6th Sphere task seemed to be his mercenary group that lasted until he tried to collapse Dreiko.

So while the Lu Chaos "roleplay" itself is annoying. What makes it outrageous is the support he gets from the GMs to do whatever it is that he does. Also, the "supply" issue predates the current Zaxun roleplay which actually has a storyline reason for him to be magically gaining items.
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I have been holding off posting on this because, frankly, I don't see it making any difference whatsoever, but here we go.

AJ HATES Lu. He is someone that she will go out of her way to avoid. He is a bully and an ass. He has never given her ANY semblance of a reason to be nice to him. Constantly demanding respect at the end of a chak gets old and is no way to get anything. As a controller, I wouldn't stand by this character's behaviour, so why would I want to in game? The reasoning that 'you made him' is about as valid as my assisting in the creation of a random serial killer. Personal responsibility for ones actions is seriously lacking in all aspects of Lu's character. I will continue to ignore him, in the hopes that he will go away, as we are so often taught. Am I going to change how AJ interacts with him? Would it make any difference?
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I think it goes without saying, but this response does not reflect the views of Koi, Lyra, the Underlolz, Agoknights, or Jews. It's just my opinion.

I don't really know the full facts of this particular case. It seems like there was a valid roleplaying reason for the attacks, but it's like BladeSlayer said: just because you have a valid reason for the attacks doesn't mean that you should attack. That is: the indiscriminate attacks and mouthing off are entirely in-character, but they're still really annoying to some people.

Here's the thing: combat is intrinsic to the game mechanics of Underlight. Whether we like it or not, if you take combat out of the game, then we may as well get rid of the viewport entirely and all roleplay in IRC. That's not necessarily a terrible idea, but it's just not the reality of Underlight as it exists today. Combat is a valid roleplaying tool. But like any tool, you need to use it when it's appropriate to use. Combat in Underlight is like porn: in small doses it's exciting and tantalizing, but if you watch it all the time you cease to derive any pleasure from it.

If someone starts complaining that incessant fighting isn't fun then we need to reconsider our trajectory. I think a perfectly valid response to Lu Chaos in this particular scenario would have been to whisper to him, OOC:
(( Look, this really isn't fun for me. Please stop. ))

I ascribe to the philosophy of willing disengagement. If you, as a controller, don't wish to participate in a combat situation that's your right as a player of this game to disengage. It cuts both ways: you've disengaged from the roleplay and the expectation is that you will not attack either. And I think that continuing an attack on someone who asks you to lay off, OOC, is a violation of the 'Respect Others' rule. So, going forward, I think that willful disengagement could put the kibosh on this entire annoying roleplay. If we, as a playerbase, willfully disengage from overly aggressive, combative behaviour, then the behaviour will stop.
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Sidas wrote:The enabling by the GM team has made it quite apparent that the behavior itself is accepted. Lu Chaos went from having no supplies to having better supplies than Dreiko and Blade overnight. He magically started dropping forged 40s, which only one current PLAYER character can create. He got 5th Sphere for reasons. He got 6th Sphere for apparent reasons.

Dina has been kept from getting 7th Sphere due to a lack of effort but I can at least identify what she was doing. The only thing I have seen Lu Chaos do for his Spheres is attempt to PK. For instance, his original 6th Sphere task seemed to be his mercenary group that lasted until he tried to collapse Dreiko.

So while the Lu Chaos "roleplay" itself is annoying. What makes it outrageous is the support he gets from the GMs to do whatever it is that he does. Also, the "supply" issue predates the current Zaxun roleplay which actually has a storyline reason for him to be magically gaining items.

Lu Chaos has gotten support items 1 time. This was gen capable items. Back in November-ish for his RP. This isn't a secret - my GM made them for his RP. This wasn't an unlimited supply of items. It was 6 shields, 6 chakrams and 6 DS elemens all items fully capable of being genned. I know because my character made them. He didn't have an unlimited supply of items or OUTRAGEOUS support from GMs. Case closed on that subject.

His 6th Sphere was to gain the title Master Assassin passed down to him from Silk Nuvas - who made the items. This sphere had ever changing dynamic needs - everything from infiltrating Consortiuum in an attempt of taking them down, to attempting to infiltrate other houses, crippling the houses by attempts at brainwashing them, infiltrating KoES and fighting for them and helping them open KoES, getting close to Zaxun in an effort to get Xun'rok details on his motives.... the list goes on. Again case closed.
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I have been watching this thread for a little while now. I know it has been noticed haha. And I have a few things to say:

*Wish said his GM chara - Silk - made the items. Also gave him the 'master assassin' title. The other stuff he played very little if any role in, or accomplished very little in his attempts as far as I could tell (Like infiltrating other houses, attempting to bring down the consortium). So basically all I read was "I gave Lu his sphere, case closed"

*Also, the only reason Silk had to give him gen-capable items (As far as I can tell) is to skirt around the fact that Lu was already so hated (Due to his own roleplaying style) that if he had to gen for his own items he would have never gotten said items without help cause he cant sit at a gen long enough.

*What I think is really screwed up is that like okay I could see if it was actually players the GM team doesn't care for, or cause problems a lot that are complaining about Lu. But its like.. Uthanatos and Aileron and Arlyana and Arnaya.. Lu is not only being enabled but encouraged to annoy the shit out of these people who play like every day and you don't really hear a complaint or grief from any of them. People that roleplay consistently on a positive level. He is being heavily defended (I think only for the sake of arguement, or the questioning of his actions/'perks' being taken very personally tbh) at the expense of a pretty large percentage of the player bases feelings.

I hesitated to even put a post up because I will admit I do not know all of the details, but this is what it seems like to me. That is why I think the 'traditional' teaching guidelines and standards are important, things like this frustrate players and those guidelines clearly weren't followed. I even brought this up with some players IC, that even if standards werent followed, we should be able to see some impact he made after the fact. Noone I spoke with did.
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Koi-Wish wrote: His 6th Sphere was to gain the title Master Assassin passed down to him from Silk Nuvas - who made the items. This sphere had ever changing dynamic needs - everything from infiltrating Consortiuum in an attempt of taking them down, to attempting to infiltrate other houses, crippling the houses by attempts at brainwashing them, infiltrating KoES and fighting for them and helping them open KoES, getting close to Zaxun in an effort to get Xun'rok details on his motives.... the list goes on. Again case closed.
Lu Chaos received 5th Sphere for his "work" with the Consortium. So if that also got rolled into his 6th Sphere, that would be irresponsible of both the character and the teacher. Ignoring that, what you listed would likely get a non GM teacher in wholesale trouble.

As for the items, sure...maybe it only happened once with "gennable items". But that wouldn't explain why Lu started throwing out almost nothing but flat 25s BEFORE Zaxun infiltrated. You can only get these from DMs and GMs and they rarely come with actual useful effects. But somehow Lu started having nothing but paralyze, curse, and poison. Now, going back to "gennable" items, whatever you gave him was still DAYS of anyone else trying to obtain their items. Most of us have spent the entire time CoD has been up collecting our supplies and being able to deal with what we have. So even what you consider a "small" amount is far too much.
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Fair point.

He hasn't gotten any more items from me or my GMs. I cant speak for all GM controllers however.

His first plot with Consort was not to get in. That was part of his 5th.

It was to help destroy. His first quest was to find the Ambience Cache, something he couldn't share with anyone and forced him to self-collapse numerous times. If you don't know what that is sorry it wasn't to be publically posted to be found, which now because of this thread, its public knowledge. The pieces of his RP were very underground. The next part was his crazed tale of coming from the future. All the while he was learning to be a better fighter due to the direct attacks he was going to take during his crusades, all pieces were played off his thirst for power. Just because YOU didn't see the pieces laid out didn't mean they didn't happen.

Hasn't been the first time GM involved RPs for players have been driven.

Items have been supplied for all kids of other RPs as well. GMs demanded to come into the City to support RPs left and right. The only support Lu got was a handful of items and direction from Silk.
Dina was made into a soulsphere, bogrom, male... etc. all had to have GM support. She is on her final leg currently with her Maren University classes. I have supported her with Bamra for IC fun.
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GMs support various RPs across the boards for all kinds of players.

I have no "personal" friendship with Lu Chaos. Don't know him from the next guy and he would attest to that. I don't have a personal friendship with Dina's controller either and I've actually met her IRL, hell she would tell you we have since blocked each other on FB due to conflicting opinions. But that doesn't mean I won't support her as a player. Just like I will support Lu as a player. And I support everyone as a player.
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Don't get me started on guardDog being 7th Sphere. :twisted:
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I don't want to come down on Lu Chaos OOC, OfF KiLTeR is bad enough IC for my tastes.

The reality is people are teaching Lu Chaos, he is advancing with the help of a select few individuals. Clearly there are people who are in the know. I am certain that there are other challenges he had to overcome... but he was able to get 6 supports for 6th... that means he had 6 teachers support him and that means there is enough of the community to help him along. As a teacher, OfF KiLTeR has never taught people he did not respect in a fashion, and Lu has never gone to OfF for a task. Simply put, all the appropriate checks are in place. If the entire social structure did not support Lu he would have crumbled. The only complaint anyone could have is if he were granted something that other players cannot attain. If the process is followed equally for all, we have to assume that the requirements were met honestly.

My 2 cents, anyways. ..
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.............

I really don't agree with the fairness of any of this.. All because of your many complaints the fun that I have with the city has to be revealed to EVERYONE... I didn't want anyone to know anything that my character does until I tell them... Do you know how easy it is for Lu Chaos to be Lu Chaos? He can infiltrate ANY group and the city will not make the enemy aware of it BECAUSE THEY HATE HIM and now because of this post, AND YOU GUYS NOT KNOWING HOW TO KEEP OOC AND IC SEPARATE... It will be ruined.. You guys have your hidden sphere tasks amongst your houses, your little tasks that nobody knows about, but when Lu Chaos has a task to do something, how and why, what where who, everything about it has to be revealed, now some of the fun has been taken from me because of everyones hatred towards a freaking role play character where you have to roleplay 24/7 yet you still can't manage to separate the two.. It's disappointing.. I know you guys don't agree with things Lu Chaos does but that's fine speculate about it, but Lu Chaos has been fighting for the city, doing things to make the game fun and better since the day I created him. I don't care how you feel about him anymore.


As far as the fighting... If you don't want to feel the wrath of Lu Chaos, then guess what? ROLEPLAY not talking crap to him and not instantly antagonizing him for at least 5 minutes and maybe you can have a decent conversation and he won't kick your ass the next day or that same day for talking crap to him in threshold.. As far as Ladysilver, if she did not restore Thunderman and Aileron as they collapsed Lu Chaos earlier that day, AOE WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN COLLAPSED. BuT NOOOO SHE CHOSE A SIDE AND THAT IS WHAT HAPPENS IN WAR. Lu Chaos feels like he is a ONE MAN ARMY at all times, even if he only has about 10 items in his pack. If you don't wanna fight DONT ANTAGONIZE the character... MY OTHER CHARACTERS are PEACEFUL, Lu Chaos is NOT, he feels that he is an ALPHA because that role was taken from him in his SHARDIC LIFE..

At the end of the day.. Lu Chaos is gonna be Lu Chaos.. BladeSlayer made a statement that he could punish people daily, yes you can.. Especially if you have reasons.. DO IT.. Why not? Just because you feel like they are weaker than you? Ok then why does your character not MAKE them submit then and admit defeat? That's your choice not to attack your enemies... They should be beaten into submission then that is how my character feels, not yours so who are you to judge him? Lu Chaos had to admit defeat numerous times, but he always told them that they wouldn't be picking on him if he was higher sphere, guess what? Now Lu Chaos is higher sphere and the roles have reversed, now he has the same sphered dreamers calling him bully but long ago these same people collapsed him all the time.. Dreiko, BladeSlayer, you are guilty of collapsing me when I was first sphere on numerous occassions. You all FORGED Lu Chaos, believe it or not. Deal with him, and too all the nice dreamers out here who speaks to Lu Chaos in a friendly manner they get the respect they DESERVE.

This is a game true enough, but in this game EVERY mechanic can and will be used in roleplay. Lu Chaos is a warrior, always has been and always will be.. He isn't a scholar who reads books, he isn't someone who sits around and throws tea parties, he likes to fight and he feels that, that skill alone with the help of him being totally about progressing can help him reach greatness within himself and forge the city into something great.. Hate him or not, Lu Chaos isn't the bad guy here..
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Cianne <3 Lu Chaos, no, not <3 ,
but I have always had Cianne "root for and help the underdogs" from Sidious Tryhnak, to Taryag,
to Menson, to Asmodan, to Machiavelli, to Yog-ka, Magnilia back in her KOES days, and now good old Lu. yup Cianne befriended
all of those, the badder, the better!! Bring em on! :twisted: Taught them all when no one else would. etc...
Why? keep your friends close, and your enemies closer, never know when ya might need a favour in return.
But of course, NONE of you KNOW that in game about Cianne, ( except 1 or 2 who bother to know people's back stories)
and this is OOC , so you STILL don't know!! :mrgreen:
~Practice patience and silent reflection in a moment of anger ~ It will save you infinite moments of regret~
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Re: Silvers Rant

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In my typical fashion, I'm going to first steer away from the ambiguity of whether or not "roleplaying" is happening, and give some insight into "problems" with the game that I observed in my time back.

The main problem is that the game isn't balanced. The strong get stronger, and the weak fall behind. And it isn't just one thing contributing to it either, it's a lot of little things that add up to creating situations where a strong player without any regard for a balanced game can basically run rampant and ruin things for everyone. And with a bare minimum of effort, it can be called "roleplaying".

From the perspective of a realistic roleplaying game, UL is really good. But it's still a game, which means that there needs to be some sort of boundaries if it isn't going to devolve into a situation where the strongest players dictate everything, and the weaker, more casual players have to do what they're told or accept that they're just there to offer padding experience, since it's much more efficient than any of the other alternatives.

When I came back, I was disgusted by the lack of foresight of having 7th and 8th sphere'd dual focus characters. I don't care how much effort these people put in, it was a horrible, horrendous, completely narrow sighted allowance in a game where most people are 5th or 6th sphere for the first time, and dedicate as much time as possible for them just to get there. I almost feel bad for them as well, having to willingly hold themselves back lest they knowingly drive everyone out of the game. What's there to look forward to? The rest of the game daydreams about what it would be like to get dual focus, and how neat it must be, knowing full well most of us will never see it. And if we do, those already there will probably be at some new unobtainable plateau of strength.

And while the combat system is definitely outdated, it basically favors the use of items over arts. Skill is important, but is greatly made up for by a large pool of dreamsoul and a GK bonus. And in a game where item-combat is king, the GK bonus is so blatantly broken that I'm surprised it's lasted this long. And by and large it isn't the only balancing problem.

Who can blame Lu Chaos? He's doing exactly what the game encourages him to do to progress. And while it's nice that Bladeslayer and Dreiko hold themselves accountable, it's a responsibility that they should never have been offered to begin with.

Take my rant with a grain of salt, as I did opt to leave rather than stick around and try to play around the problems. I love roleplaying, but I also love competitive games. UL is not a competitive game. The pieces are bigger than the whole, and one player, in such small game, can be as intimidating as an army.


PS- I was hunted by Lu Chaos for disagreeing with him before I left. He wanted dreamer essences, walked in and said: "You can give them to me willingly or I can take them". It was, BY FAR, the shittiest roleplaying situation I've ever been in. What's the out? I made a few comments about how few people he'd find volunteering, and questioned his methodology. After trying to collapse me (I evaded into the sanc becaue wtf was I supposed to do?) he came in, ran his mouth, and said "Sorry bro, you're cool but you spoke out against me".

If that's what we're being told is valid roleplaying, then I'm only the first to go.
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Re: Silvers Rant

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I haven't had a lot of time to poke about lately, so I haven't really had a good chance to gauge the goings on. So feel free to take this with a grain of salt. That being said - at the end of the day, folks are frustrated. It happens, a lot. I know from experience how easily it is to find yourself dissuaded from even wanting to hit the log in button due to varying things from stuff only happening late at night, to being forced into a corner due to player skill/level imbalances. It happens. Often times when one group gets a lot of gm attention it feels as if they're receiving favoritism. In that regard, the teams actually very good about that, and it's more personal feelings then actual truth in hindsight.

but in other cases, like with Lu, you have to remember that we as PLAYERS have the responsibility to pay attention to our own actions. I've said this from the beginning, and I'll keep saying it until it's reflected in how everyone plays. On the whole, the player base is very good at this. Players like Blade, Dreiko, Thunder - they have big guns and lots of power - and yet time and again they quickly pull back if their character's level and fighting skills as a player becomes to much for the community to handle. Even during times when they clearly have the upper hand and zero need In character to do so. I've first hand witnessed this, several times over the course of the last few years. How ever my character might feel about Blade or Dreiko or others in that category, I never, as a player, mind interacting with them in game, because of it.

So in your case Lu, you need to understand, that if your direction for Lu is taking it's toll on the people behind the characters to the point that most everyone unanimously is saying "This isn't fun, someone do something about it," then you have the responsibility as a player to do something about it. You don't have to stop playing Lu as he aught to be played. You DO need to throttle it back, a lot. Lu hates everyone. That's perfectly fine. But maybe instead of daily attacks, throttle it back to weekly attacks. Open rp channels to allow others to come up with alternate paths to stop him or join him.

There's nothing wrong with rping an unrepentant ass who has the power and skills to back up the shit talking. There is something wrong with pushing that so hard that it makes the player base so frustrated that they are unwilling to play, be it with your character or not.
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Re: Silvers Rant

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I think Clar hit the nail on the head.
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Re: Silvers Rant

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Ditto, well said on Vaoxaroth's and Clarity's part.
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