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Dina
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Prime Drains

Post by Dina » Wed Nov 07, 2018 5:57 pm

That was very significant in game and yes, a bit harsh. It is a good idea, don't get me wrong, but you will always have people go in for 5 seconds so they don't lose their crest then log out. There needs to be some kind of help for the houses on this if there will be that significant of drains. We don't even know who all has a crest still since people just lose them for being MIA or they demote themselves out. I do think the Rulers and Guardians should have an art that says who is still crested or perhaps a message that is always on the boards that shows crested members and ranks. The people that carry crests and only come in for those 5 seconds, we never see them to demote them or even ask them to demote out. HC and the Bastion houses are very active in membership and yet they were hit very hard. Both houses have RP's going on. That should show for something. I am not sure about OoSM, I do see them, so you can add them into this as well and some help with these RP's.

Is there anything that can be done, so we can see who all has a crest? Then maybe we can do some RP to get rid of those that never play! Dina will wave her hands around and say "abracadabra be gone" or something a bit more exciting lol. I think the houses have to have so many in it, but if you have at least 4 or 5 solid active members, that should count.

Perhaps Bosley or the other guy can put something on the Archives explaining the rules as well. Just draining the prime and us not knowing the details of it, just doesn't work. I want to see Bosley in game so Dina can ask these questions, but he Dina never sees him.
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Re: Prime Drains

Post by Arnaya » Wed Nov 07, 2018 9:54 pm

Check out the newsfeed, Dina. It has pretty much all of the information there. The MORE crested members, the lower the hit. The only thing we don't really know, is how often the drain is going to hit.

The idea of having an art or something that would tell us who is still crested though would be a great idea. Even if it was just something in the mission boards that gave them a list of current crested members?
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Re: Prime Drains

Post by Dina » Wed Nov 07, 2018 11:05 pm

With such a small community though, the drain for the Basion was HUGE! I donno, this is just a pain! If alts counted, I would put all my damn alts in the house just to help it! Yes, I know...alts don't count. BUT if that rule changes, please let me know! I would just have to learn how to play a zillion chars back to back! I've done it before! BUT, to think that people are to the point of trying it, says something.

Can we have it looked at again?
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Re: Prime Drains

Post by Arnaya » Thu Nov 08, 2018 3:04 am

Yeah, it is a pretty big hit. Especially for the smaller houses. HC and the Bastion, it actually isn't too bad for as long as we're somewhat active (assuming its a monthly "rent"). OoSM can soak it fairly easily as well with even moderate activity....the others however, it's a bit more of an impact.

Maybe increasing the reduction for each rank would help a little there?
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Re: Prime Drains

Post by Uthanatos » Thu Nov 08, 2018 2:03 pm

I’d say it should be reversed, to help smaller houses grow and make wanton initiation prohibitive. Perhaps something like a 20k base and add for each crested member with dual crested charging both houses. 5k per ruler 2.5 per guardian and 1k per initiate.
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Re: Prime Drains

Post by Erasmus » Fri Nov 09, 2018 7:45 pm

Obviously my take on this is slightly biased because of my primary character's affiliation, but I'm torn on the prime drain in its current forum.

First, I believe it is WAY overboard. Even larger houses are complaining about how much they are having to do to maintain upkeep. Imagine a smaller house. (I'll get into the idea of house size in a minute.) It forces you into some of the more grueling activities. Now, AoE being a peaceful house is limited in its ability, no matter how many members they have. Sure, you could argue that we put ourselves in this position, but the mechanics COULD allow for a peaceful house to succeed with some simple changes. As it stands, Erasmus can only sacrifice for essences and I only have an hour or two at most to play most days, and some days not at all.

I think it should be similar to what Uthanatos mentioned. Start the drain at 10-20k per month and increase based on membership, not to exceed a certain amount, maybe 40k.

Why do we want to consolidate all the houses into two? That's boring. It doesn't encourage differences in beliefs. I'm not saying open all the houses for anyone that wants one, but if a house has a unique idea that isn't a carbon copy of another and there are people that want to be in it, who cares? If we had tons and tons of people, it'd be different. But we don't. Some house will be small.

In another post I'll post my opinion on houses in general.

Come up with a way to encourage houses to mean something beside an art and a mission board. Not penalize people who don't like to hunt, whether for game time purposes, RP purposes, or whatever.

My two cents on that.
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Re: Prime Drains

Post by Dina » Fri Nov 09, 2018 8:58 pm

I just wish people that hardly ever dreamed, would just stay crestless. Kailee wont even join a house and she made it clear in game that she would not want to hurt the house by joining and never being around to contribute. Don't be an ass and keep a crest when you hardly ever dream, plain and simple. Allow the houses to demote you, or demote yourself.

It seems the less activity you have because of less members, you are being coddled and the bigger houses are getting screwed. The houses that are actually keeping the game going. I just hope we are listened to and not ignored. We don't mind the drain, but it was ridiculous.
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Re: Prime Drains

Post by Koi-Lupine » Fri Nov 09, 2018 9:19 pm

I've been thinking about this for a while. Since I went in and drained the primes and observed people's reactions. The drain was originally going to be twice as much as it currently is. You can thank your team of GM's for talking me down to the current base, which as previously stated by players is in fact 50,000.

What I don't want to do is reveal every aspect of game mechanics, because I believe discovery to be part of what roleplaying is about. What I will do is dispel an incorrect piece of information I keep seeing pop up...

The amount of the drain is reduced by the number of members you have, this was relayed through Bosley. The drain is reduced by a differing amount based on the ranks of a house's members, with Initiates reducing it the most.

While I do not feel that I should tell you exactly how the drain is calculated I will tell you that the idea put forth by Uthanatos would, in fact, double the drain for House Calenture. So, at that point, we would be penalizing a house for having members.

Lastly, I would like to remind you that the current drain is part of the ongoing 'RP' which you find yourselves currently part of.
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Re: Prime Drains

Post by Dina » Sat Nov 10, 2018 2:32 am

Koi-Lupine wrote:
Fri Nov 09, 2018 9:19 pm
I've been thinking about this for a while. Since I went in and drained the primes and observed people's reactions. The drain was originally going to be twice as much as it currently is. You can thank your team of GM's for talking me down to the current base, which as previously stated by players is in fact 50,000.

What I don't want to do is reveal every aspect of game mechanics, because I believe discovery to be part of what roleplaying is about. What I will do is dispel an incorrect piece of information I keep seeing pop up...

The amount of the drain is reduced by the number of members you have, this was relayed through Bosley. The drain is reduced by a differing amount based on the ranks of a house's members, with Initiates reducing it the most.

While I do not feel that I should tell you exactly how the drain is calculated I will tell you that the idea put forth by Uthanatos would, in fact, double the drain for House Calenture. So, at that point, we would be penalizing a house for having members.

Lastly, I would like to remind you that the current drain is part of the ongoing 'RP' which you find yourselves currently part of.
So it has nothing to do with how much a member dreams at all? Where did I hear this then???? Bah! Course it still causes an issue when you can't demote someone down when they aren't around and doing the go in game for so many seconds then leaving. Is there something we can do about that? Would be nice to know who all has a crest and their rank. Can Bosley let us know in game, if we ask him? Dina doesn't see Bosley, so she can't ask him. I guess if they are initiates, we have nothing to worry about, just the higher ranks.
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Re: Prime Drains

Post by Brother Timothy » Mon Nov 12, 2018 1:39 pm

Something nobody seems to have addressed here is the effect of the prime drain on the focus balance. It makes soul masters far more valuable, and throws off the poor focus balance even further. Personally I think this aspect of the game has been neglected.
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